- 2 months, 3 weeks ago Dave PageParticipant
<p style=”text-align: left;”>In Ace’s early journals I stated how he learned sit, down, etc, from me naming the behaviors as he performed them on his own.</p>
It worked well for him .
Some issues I have has as a result of not using physical contact to place him in those positions, even though I handled him in play:
1. At about 4 months old I had him in a down and went to roll him over and almost had a bear on my hands. It took a couple months of incrementally working on it to get him to where I could physically roll him over in other than play.
2. A couple weeks ago I got ahold of his front paw to place him in a down from a sit and found another I have to work through.
I am curious how those who lure a dog using food avoid these issues if your dog isn’t used to being physically placed in those positions at one time?
I had used the easy, turning him on his back, but always in play.
- 2 months, 2 weeks ago Kim JamesParticipant
Video it, it maybe easier to break down and analyse.
If you are pairing the command with the lure there should be no need for compulsion, the reward is released once the mechanics are completed, even if you need to chain the behaviour have a target behaviour set, then incrementally reward the approximations that lead towards the target result.
For most dogs the “i’m going to put you where i want you” method is stressful and void of teaching them how to get there.
Also maybe use a different reward something of a lesser value. The anticipation of that reward may be the catalyst for whatever is going on.
I have 2 Black Labs at the moment and food rewarding is just too messy and over exciting for them, however they will happily focus on the tennis ball to lure them into various positions.
- 2 months, 2 weeks ago Dave PageParticipant
Videoing training by naming is too late. If referring to that, it’s simply watching their signs for a day or two to learn body language tells before they perform an action. They will almost always telegraph an action before they do it. It was just an experiment. I was curious if it would work.
I learned his telegraphs and named the actions, as he completed it, then praised him. So he was never lured or placed into position.
Here is a clip of him at 8 weeks, his first real session after 2 weeks of naming his actions.
As for videoing his ‘aggressiveness’ on being handled; They have always caught me by surprise.
The issues with rolling him over had arisen, when once I needed to turn him over to inspect a tick bite, scratch or something on his underside. Although in play he would turn over on his back on his own, but getting him to do it if wasn’t of his own volition took some time.
The issues with his front legs has happened 3 times, once when I was driving and he was in my field of view, I told him down he just looked at me, so I gently cupped behind his legs to slide them so he would lay down.
Another when he was climbing a ladder I cupped his leg again to show him which to move.
Third was an instance like the first. I have thought he may have joint pain but his joints check fine.
He has always been petted, and loved on in praise so I never expected to have to work past issues of him being “handled.”
Leading to my question; if only lured into position, and he isn’t used to being placed in certain positions, how do you keep from having issues of the dog being handled?
I hope that helps.
What I have been doing for the leg aggression is sporadically picking them up to look at and massaging them to get him used to them being touched and manipulated.
- 2 months, 1 week ago Dave PageParticipant
Rolling him over made him feel threatened since he wasn’t used to it.
I think his legs may have had something to do with coming down with parvo and crowded spots. He somehow came down with parvo a week or so after his growling at me on the ladder.
I think he had a mild case at least a week before me taking him into the vets as he got especially picky on eating and got grumpy. I knew something wasn’t right so took him in. Vet said he never seen one come in as healthy acting as Ace and test for positive for parvo, and fact he had his shots helped him.
After recuperating a couple weeks I had no problem on moving his legs on the ladder today. Will post if issue comes up again.
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