2 weeks, 4 days ago Dave PageParticipant
This could fit so many categories but I figured this would be more of an obedience based question.
Ace is fairly obedient, no major issues so far.
He is 4 months old tomorrow. This was at three months: I was inside working at a cabin and guests at another cabin were running through the woods. Other than me being inside there was nothing to be territorial.
That’s medium compared to what he does now if people walk towards my truck or close to it. I haven’t really encouraged or discouraged. The good boy in the video above, although my timing was off, was for him looking at me for what to do next. Not for barking.
In store settings, and at the hog bay, he doesn’t show this. Although he is off his ‘turf,’ in these situations and is still a puppy.
If one person walks by the truck I tell him, thats enough, and he quiets down a little, 10-30 seconds later he is back at it because some one else is walking by. Him being a puppy I figured eventually he would realize its nothing to bark at. He hasn’t so far.
My question: How do I tone this down, build his confidence, and get him to stop when I tell him without crushing those drives? Putting him in a sit doesn’t stop his barking and roaring growl.
2 weeks, 4 days ago Dave PageParticipant
Addennum: I am more concerned about correcting this behavior to stop it, as I don’t want him to skip steps in the cycle and wind up with him giving no warnings.
2 weeks, 4 days ago Kim JamesParticipant
Hey mate not pro advice here but that looks like alert bark, there’s nothing wrong with that….he’s just letting you know someone is cruising by your space, to stop that would involve you taking him out of that situation so maybe keep him closer to you and not free roam on a long lead out front. In other words not allowing him to get visuals on the target per say, or if you get eyes on first reinforce reassurance….Catch the behaviour early enough to engage his attention onto you and redirect that energy. Obviously your not going to get it everytime but definatley try and refocus his attention may work…… looks like a gem of a pup anyway!!! No one is going to steal your tools thats for sure
2 weeks, 2 days ago Dave PageParticipant
Yes, The video is normal alert barking.
When we are in the truck sitting in front of a store it gets rather annoying. I love the fact he does it, but I just want him to tone it down a little. I just keep telling him that’s enough, I see it.
My brother rides with me and helps me at work sometimes. This morning it took me a full 30 seconds to get Ace calmed down enough for my brother to get in the truck because he hadn’t rode with is for a few days. Although some of it was because Ace had just seen a ‘creepy’ person walk by he had an unusual disdain towards just moments before my brother showed up at the door.
Ace takes his spells. Some days are better than others. I think he may be just trying to figure things out.
2 weeks, 2 days ago Kim JamesParticipant
I’d say your on the money there mate… my training dog Ghost has started to do the same thing when he sees large body of troops marching around stand off and alert barks short sharp barks. Its slightly fear related but thats a normal expectation i have from him. I’ve let him off lead to go and investigate a few times and he just runs up and mingles between the troops trying to ruck heavy its pretty funny, but it gives them some moral too…yeah I’d say he’s just learning the ropes.
I guess theres options out there…..you could go down the desensitising/counter conditioning road if it was really an issue for you but again thats something you need to consider from a holistic stand point i believe.
I’ll put the video of Ghost getting nervy when a group of troops walk passed the kennels and when i release him he runs up to them to see where there going? and there all like “oh wow a puppy” (enter whistles, pats, and kisses) and he just tears off as if its nothing. i guess when i think about it now thats a counter conditioning moment right there 🙂 considering i want him comfortable around troop movement.
2 weeks ago Dave PageParticipant
Here is a video of him cutting up at a high medium level. This started suddenly one day a few weeks ago.
I wasn’t giving any commands he knows. Letting him have his head and just watching him. Praising him when he is quiet. Trying to figure out how to keep him from going nuts like this over normal activity without eliminating what I want.
2 weeks ago Kim JamesParticipant
Hey Dave that could be a bit of barrier frustration in there too, really looks like he wants to engage for sure, I guess thats how I’ve seen Ghost act on leash in a similar situation and thought you know what Im going to let you get it out of your system and engage and experience (the experience being boring compared to me with a tennis ball), the difference is Ghost is a boarder collie cross and your dog is BMC both High drive animals but slightly different drive tendencies, so letting Ace of leash to engage may not be appropriate at the store.
Im just spit balling here but maybe set up a controlled scenario with less distractions in a field or open area and have someone familiar approach from a distance, far enough so that Ace can see but can’t identify,(it’d be good to know the distance he starts grumbling and growling) let him out of the truck have the person casually continue walking and fully ignore him completely even if he jumps up and demands attention, recall then praise. if he fails to recall have the person turn and slowly walk towards the truck to close the gap and entice him to obey the command, reward and praise when he comes.
I guess after all he’s a pup and wants to socialise and engage, most probably has tons of energy he wants to dump at any given opportunity. can i ask is this type of behaviour happening first thing in the morning or after a busy day? Id just like to know what his energy levels are when this type of stuff is going on.
Cheers for the video Dave can’t believe how big he is already!!!
1 week, 6 days ago Dave PageParticipant
Energy levels? LoL. Doesn’t matter what time of day. Just as long as he is awake. I let him and Lexi play this morning and he had a lot of exercise before we left this morning and it didn’t help.
I did let Ace out at the job with my helper there. Ace went straight for his ankles. More like he saw him as a chew toy, lol. Not in a vicious way, just very rough grabbing (herding dog). After I told Ace no he no longer tried to engage him.
As for barrier frustration, I agree. Not sure what kind, I get him lots of exercise, as Ace was leaning out the truck window at lumber yard once and someone attempted to pet him. When they reached toward him he had pulled his head back inside the cab. I caught the guy and stopped him as his hand crossed the window area. Couldn’t see much of Ace but fact he was no longer leaning out said something to me. And the fact the guy was trying to get Ace to sniff him instead of just reaching to pet him first I took as Ace’s body language being not too desirous to engage with the guy, and his earlier behavior made the guy cautious. Had to get irate to get the guy to quit. (Pet peeve, reaching into the cab, or bed of my truck.)
This evening he wasn’t quiet as bad. He actually just watched as my brother got out of the truck with two of his friends there, until one kind of leaned in and waved. Ace started in.
1 week, 5 days ago Kim JamesParticipant
Thanks for the reply Dave,
Yeah crazy people out there willing to get bit. not good for Ace or you if they do though. All those things he is showing is just immaturity and it really could just boil and simmer under the one heading and thats “fear/protective aggression” whether its irrational or appropriate is hard to say due to the subjectiveness of the observation. My pup Ghost has shown some dominance aggression behaviours, I’ve only had him for 3 weeks out of the 4.5 months of his life so I’ve some leadership exercises to maintain and do everyday.
Such is Life 🙂
1 week ago Dave PageParticipant
I was hoping he would figure out what was normal and what is to be alerted on, and mellow out eventually, but his volume and intensity is rising. I have actually had to start using corrections. I tell him I see it and it’s alright. If he doesn’t get quiet I started implementing a collar correction today telling him enough.
Going to see how it goes.
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