- 2 months ago Dave PageParticipant
Ace has turned 9 months. Have had him since 6 weeks old. Knowing the breed I have socialized him like mad. Taking him everywhere I can, with me daily. For the most part he has mellowed out and knows he doesn’t have to go ballistic and follows my lead. If I’m calm he’s calm and vice versa.
I noticed as a pup he took a dislike to 2 clients. I’m not disagreeing with his judgment, but he showed his dislike rather aggressively.
A month or so ago an individual approached while I was parked to talk to me, and came right up to lean on the drivers door. Again I don’t disagree with Ace’s judgment, but Ace tried to come through me to get a hold of the guy. I never got him fully under control until the guy left.
Today: I was at the bank drive up window, and a man walked up in the lane next to us on the right side, asking the teller if she had popcorn and/or candy he could have. (a convenience store was 50ft away). It wasn’t proximity to the truck because people get in and out of cars close to us at grocery stores. He may look at them but ignores them as long as they act normal.
Ace gave his little alert bark I looked, ignored him, and turned my head back to the business at hand. Ace went nuts. An 80 pound ball of fury. I thought he was going to break the passenger window, and I couldn’t get him calmed down until the man left. (I wasn’t patting or consoling. I was giving him his command to cease and desist.)
The teller was taken aback as well and mentioned the difference in his little bark when he saw her right next to us in the window (we still have a bank where the teller is just on the other side of a window next to you.) and his extreme reaction to the man.
I realized in the last two occurrences both individuals were high or on something which Ace has never been exposed to.
As should be for a well bred of his breed he is learning if something isn’t right. And normally, if alone, they handle it.
My question: How can I correct this without damaging him? Since he is doing it from a vehicle now, which is his territory, when he matures it should widen to proximity to me as long as our bond isn’t damaged. I don’t want to have to be concerned about being in a businesses and he go off on someone drunk or on drugs.
Except for his normal adolescent testing he does very well in obedience, and following my lead, under most all circumstances.
Leash pops would only increase his intensity, and he is in such drive vibrate on his e-collar isn’t even noticed. I am loath to try e-collar stim, or extreme aversive correction. Any other considerations I am overlooking?
- 1 month, 4 weeks ago Dave PageParticipant
I think have found a solution that will work for him. I switched the arc collar for the 1900 which has a stronger vibration, and since dogs being close to the truck is almost as strong a trigger as someone either on, are acting like they are on drugs.
Using the stronger vibrate I was able to get his attention off a dog coming up to the truck barking at him today, long enough to redirect his focus and let him know to “leave it.”
If I can do that with dogs, and with all the dogs running loose here I have plenty of opportunities, I think I can anchor a “Leave” command to work in the other situation.
Another thing I noticed is telling him gruffly seems to fuel it whereas giving him commands softly with the dog situation had a soothing effect.
- 1 month, 2 weeks ago Sharon Blakeney-McDonaldParticipant
Hi Dave, it may be time to teach your dog control training of obedience and to not correct the aggression but give alternative command/behaviour for your dog to do. Instead correct your dog for not doing the command/behaviour and not for showing the aggression. A dog cannot do both behaviour be aggressive and do alternative behaviour/command. With protection dogs they need to learn drills that you are in control of when he is allow to be aggressive and when he is not. I do a car drills with my protection dog Ara and the only time she is allow to show aggression is on my command or when I’m being threatened. Here a vid of a car rage drill using a hidden sleeve I do with Ara but please note my dog is tie on a leash in the car for the decoy safety. Of course Ara has gone through the complete protection dog training phrases to reach this level in her protection work. Please don’t attempt doing this until you have done all the phrases of training shown here on this site and have gone to a professional dog trainer who specialises in protection dog training. Hopefully Mike will chime in with his advice. I’m not a dog trainer and am giving you information on what I learnt to do with my own protection dog. I just like to mention too with regards to using the vibration function of the ecollar that I was taught to use the vibration as a conditioned reinforcer as a cue through it being a marker of a reward is coming and the stim as the aversive if a refusal does occur. (this pager (vibration) method is a 3mth programme I learnt as I’m interested in learning to teach deaf dogs too) I was never taught to use the vibration function to be a correction and found the pager method meant I rarely ever have to use the stimulus of the ecollar in my training but it is there only as a backup in emergency. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o6B0-xv9xs
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- 1 week, 4 days ago Dave PageParticipant
What I had thought was them getting over corrected from going in and out of drives so fast was our e-collars malfunctioning.
For the rest he had been doing very well. I have still been taking him to work with me, and he has been learning what is normal and curtailed lots of his aggression on his own.
As long as Ace was inside the truck he was no longer going ballistic on people just walking by.
I have caught people provoking him and setting back progress.
How do those who take dogs with them keep someone from ruining progress you have made?
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