8 months ago Dave PageParticipant
Does any group test quality control, and consistency of voltage in e-collars.
Purchased an e-collar a few weeks ago. It was working great.
I bought a brand, 3/4 mile, mid-price range unit.
My wife and I tested it on ourselves first, (I wasn’t about to use it on him before I tried it), fully charged, on setting 1 only the slightest of tingle, Level 4 would get your attention, progressing up to 7 which hurt like the dickens. I took into account our size difference.
Used it for a couple weeks, on a level 1 he would notice it but didn’t overreact, and was behaving much better off leash. Everything was coming together great. Then times came after about a week and half on level 1 stim, which usually only made him just stop and look, he would would randomly yelp like I had just hit him with a 5, knowing his reactions to a 5 because I used it on two different occasions when I caught him in a chicken nest. I could tell by his unusual reactions and behavior something wasn’t right.
I took it off tried it on myself on many different settings and all seemed ok but randomly seemed a little strong.
Haven’t used it this week. Charged it back up tried it on myself this morning seemed to be a stronger than it should be on level 1. Put it on him just so he could wear it; no use at all.
Took it off this evening tested it on myself again. Level 1 really got my attention. Felt like a 4-5. Wife agrees.
Watching a few videos today I noticed others using ecollars and their dog would randomly yelp even though they were using a setting which hadn’t caused such a reaction since starting the session, and they hadn’t changed settings. There dogs reaction would suddenly become one of fear just like Luke’s.
I know he was getting random high jolts and that makes me angry. He has potential and I don’t want to ruin him with a collar giving random over-corrections.
I sat for quite sometime this evening with a multi-meter and the high numbers in level 1 weren’t consistent, often reading as high as a 4 was reading.
Recommendations for an e-collar with at least a 3/4 mile range expandable to at least 2 dogs?
Does anyone make a meter, not a light, to use and check an e-collar occasionally, to make sure it is still consistent and functioning properly?
8 months ago Kim JamesParticipant
I’ve limited exposure with e collars, but i have heard of over stim issues related primarily to poor contact points due to fitting, flexing, range and or hair.
There is a chance of Desensitisation due to it being fitted on the same place every time too. Although I don’t think this is the case with you.
Where i work we are not permitted to use them atm, the laws vary from state to state but until further knowledge is gained and permission granted we can’t touch them, however there was a time when we used non stim communication (vibration mode).
It defiantly sounds like the e collar is inconsistent.
Theres a few guys I know that are running these (see link) and they are pretty Gucci (price wise), although the martin collars are also quite reputable too.
Hope this info helps mate 🙂
All the best
8 months ago jocomorenoParticipant
As far as remote collars go ive used em all; including the martin collars.
The only brand that I have found to be consistent in quality, output, and consistency have been the dogtra collars. Their customer service leaves a lot to be desired however.
Any feedback or output issues with most collars can usually be attributed to bad placement and/or poor contact with the dog.
Be sure you have the right contact points for your dogs fur length, the collar is placed properly on the sides of the dogs neck (not directly on the trachea), and that the collar is making good skin contact. I find replacing the strap with a bungee strap helps alot.
A good trainer should be able to find the dogs baseline (when the dog first perceives the stim from the collar) pretty quickly and the behavior responses should be very consistent if all the above criteria are met.
A word on brands. Im not affiliated with any one group but I heavily favor dogtra collars over any other collar. And like I said ive used most all collars; dogtra, martin, educator, garmin, sportdog, etc. Only the dogtras gave me consistent results. This is anecdotal of course but it is through many many experiences.
7 months, 3 weeks ago Dave PageParticipant
Thank you both.
jocomoreno, appreciate it.
Bungee cord sounds like a good idea. I will do that with the next one I get.
I have narrowed it down between dogtra and garmin. Although there are things I like about both, consistency in the level of correction/output and range is most important too us.
From watching videos I think too few people actually think the collar may be over-stimulating when their dog randomly starts yelping on his baseline level, or suddenly starts acting scared and skittish.
I did find some reviews of the brand I had; they did test it on themselves and come to same conclusion.
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7 months, 3 weeks ago JudyModerator
I have only used Dogtra collars and do like them very much. Yes you have to make sure the contact points are making good skin contact othereise the dog will get inconsistent corrections. Also you meed to take into consideration the dogs adrenaline level and situation in which you are using the remote. The levals are fine tuneable because you will always be adjusting them accordingly. Dont get stuck on the numbers its the dogs reaction which should be the focus. Different factors can cause the stim to be too much or too little on the same number. Same use but different adrenaline level within the dog can cause the dog to constantly need tge remote adjusted. If you just used it on say a leval 20 for example and the dog was in a excited frame of mind for example, and then you use it again for the same obedience and the dogs excitabilitly or adrenaline leval has decreased you may get a yelp where you didnt before. You need to be able to read and know your dog and constantly adjust accordingly. Also the most imprtant thing to understand and take into consideration is the part where you say the dog gets confused. When using the remote its very important the tge dog understand the escape conditioning for the actual task you are using it for. If the dog has not been properly taught how in fact to escape the correction for each particular command it can and will cause panic or confusion. If you ever see this you need to go backwards and make sure the dog knows all the phases of training and has a complete understanding on how to escape the remote correction. Since these corrections are non directional….like a leash pump is….if the dogs panic or get confused it can be unfair to them and can cause unessesary stress. If you have any questions on teaching escape conditioning let us know. We use the dogtra collars in our classes and when taking the time to teach each phase of training we have success without ever really havinh and panic or confusion when done in certain order. You can find an obedience cheklist on the site to trouble shoot amd make sure that you have completed pre requisites for each thing you want to teach your dog with the remote. Placent and pressure on our own necks and the dogs can also cause us to feel difgerences so as mentioned above contact and placement are important. It is also important to periodically chack the placement again randomly during a training session. When dogs adrenaline starts going their necks can swell and the collor can become too tight. Also, when the shake or their skin settles or when the collor settles it can become loose. You make have to re adjust the collar a few times during the same session. You should not be able to get your fingers under the contact points, but you shpuld be able to gey your fingers under the strap. Remember to check also when your dog turns its head that the contact is still ok.
Love the dogtras..I dont think you coiks go wrong investing in one that suits you and your dogs needs.
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7 months, 2 weeks ago Dave PageParticipant
Appreciate the recommendations.
I have diligently been reading reviews, researching collars and think to give the dogtra 1900s a go. It is now just a matter of taking the step to order it. After the last one causing him so much distress I am chagrined. At least I haven’t seen a single review saying dogtras are inconsistent as I did on the last brand I had.
When we first got it I checked all the variables, trimmed the hair on his neck (thick husky hair), and worked on his escape conditioning, he was doing better than ever for the first week on the lowest level.
After watching many more videos leerburg finally had one which stated most dogs will react at a level a human can’t even feel. I take that to mean if I could barely feel it on its lowest level when we first got it, he was probably feeling it really well, After a week or so he was yelping randomly on the lowest level; and on that lowest level it was even hurting me at random intervals.
6 months ago Dave PageParticipant
Thanks for the replies and personal reviews on e-collars.
I got the dogtra 1900s and so far I am impressed. Especially with the battery life. It has been a full week without charging it. 3 full days on standby, and the other 4 days being used a couple hours a day. Both the transmitter and collar are still registering a full charge.
The other one I had, apart from being inconsistent on corrections, wouldn’t make it more than a day without needing to be charged.
Luke will actually yip on an 11, a setting I can barely feel if my arm is wet. A 4-8, which I can’t feel, works well for him when he is calm. Comparing that to the other brand I had, a 1 would sometimes feel like a 20 on this dogtra collar.
Anyway, so far the dogtra has shown to be consistent on the level of stimulation also.
I appreciate all the personal feedback and help.
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